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Erich Martin
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Posted: Wed Jul 29th, 2009 06:27 pm |
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I just got off the phone with sundial asking about green cloth covered twisted 18 guage wire for our fans. The cool gal I talked to asked if she could get some samples or good quality pics of the GREEN cord we want. Edison also called her asking for the same and sent a weak pic. She asks to send samples or pics to sundial directly so they can figure out what to make. She has received enough requests that they are getting ready to roll on this. Since 75% of the fans I receive have green cord on then, I want this so my restorations will be proper. Please help us out.
Thanks guys. Erich
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Ralph Bliss
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Posted: Wed Jul 29th, 2009 08:19 pm |
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| I live about 20 minutes from sundial wire. Unfortunately they do not have a storefront and all orders are shipped. I also spoke with a helpful gal there, they shipped my order out the same day. If they do get 18 guage green, I'll order a spool, I like the green cord. I'll take a look at what I have when I get home and send a pic. Last edited on Wed Jul 29th, 2009 08:21 pm by Ralph Bliss
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Posted: Wed Jul 29th, 2009 11:51 pm |
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If you guys can take pics of some well preserved green twisted 18 guage wire and send it to them, it will help us get this ball rolling. I think you saw how much that spool of green wire went for on ebay!!. Hillary from sundial may watch this thread, so please be the gentelmen that you always are!. send pics here;
Sundial Wire <custserv@sundialwire.com>
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Kim Frank
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Posted: Thu Jul 30th, 2009 01:15 pm |
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| Erich, I sent this pic to SunDial. Hope it's what you're after......... Attached Image (viewed 729 times):
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Kim Frank
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Posted: Thu Jul 30th, 2009 01:19 pm |
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| This one too... Attached Image (viewed 725 times):
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Posted: Thu Jul 30th, 2009 01:21 pm |
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| I told them I'd send a sample if needed. Attached Image (viewed 723 times):
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Ralph Bliss
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Posted: Thu Jul 30th, 2009 01:31 pm |
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| Kim, did you paint the plug on that cake?
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Posted: Thu Jul 30th, 2009 01:43 pm |
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It's one of the silly things I do, matching the plugs and switch knobs to the finish on the fan, along with the motor tags.
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Ralph Bliss
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Posted: Thu Jul 30th, 2009 02:29 pm |
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what??? you dont paint the wire too????? 
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Posted: Thu Jul 30th, 2009 02:33 pm |
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I'll take a 250' roll if they are looking for customres.
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Posted: Thu Jul 30th, 2009 02:42 pm |
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Ralph Bliss wrote: what??? you dont paint the wire too?????
I have bleached it out and then dyed it in different colors.Last edited on Thu Jul 30th, 2009 04:28 pm by Kim Frank
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Erich Martin
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Posted: Sun Aug 2nd, 2009 07:35 pm |
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| That wire that Kim showed is called "brewers wire" by Sundial. The gal at sundial says that it was a common wire 40 plus years ago. I need to see what other original green wire you guys have, Please post pics so I can forward them AND post them here so we can also educate ourselves.
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Posted: Mon Aug 3rd, 2009 12:34 am |
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Erich Martin wrote: That wire that Kim showed is called "brewers wire" by Sundial. The gal at sundial says that it was a common wire 40 plus years ago. I need to see what other original green wire you guys have, Please post pics so I can forward them AND post them here so we can also educate ourselves.
Erich,
I gave up on the gal at Sundial a long time ago. She new exactly what wire I was looking for, and she called it brewers cord. She said there was no demand for it. She spent most of her time telling me the appropriate wiring for the fans. We really need to find another source.
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Posted: Mon Aug 3rd, 2009 12:57 am |
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Tom, the gal I talked to has a very different attitude. She is very interested in this. Either it is a different gal , or I am just alot more charming on the phone than you!!
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Posted: Mon Aug 3rd, 2009 02:00 am |
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Any idea how much a spool will cost?
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Posted: Mon Aug 3rd, 2009 02:22 am |
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| OTR sells that green/yellow wire with red tracer. Why are you looking for another source Erich?
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Erich Martin
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Posted: Mon Aug 3rd, 2009 02:58 am |
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I do not want the green wire with the red tracer etc. I want to get sundial to make some proper vintage green twisted wire like most all my fans have come with, but first I need a magic patina lord like you to post a pic of proper green wire so they can make it. I know the brewers cord/wire exists, but I need the real looking stuff. I am sure 20% of your fans have it steve, so post away if you please.
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Posted: Mon Aug 3rd, 2009 04:24 am |
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Erich, probably the most common power cord color I find on my old fans is a khaki color. That might be faded from something else when new. And many times the power cords have been changed from original.
GE AOU fans and even Whizs have a tan color cord but I know that it was originally a shade of green from looking at a section of a wire within the base.
Are you looking for twisted pair or sheathed pair? What era fans do you want the wire for?
Personally, I like the look of the light brown or hkaki wires I have on some fans. Have to say that I don't think I have any green power cords that are original other than, perhaps, a few with old green twisted pair much like the green/yellow with red threads in it that OTR sells and we see often on old stock spools of wire. I don't think any one color or type of power cord will cover most of the earlier fans but a good green, not too dark or bright, would be nice. I wonder if Warren Kernel would have any information for us on early wire colors. I may just give him a call.Last edited on Mon Aug 3rd, 2009 03:01 pm by Steve Stephens
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Posted: Mon Aug 3rd, 2009 01:26 pm |
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Kim, Nice adapter plug and extension cord BTW
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Posted: Mon Aug 3rd, 2009 02:14 pm |
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| That khaki color is probably the green wire, but faded. It always is green inside the base or motor housing. I just wish I had kept some!!.
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Posted: Fri Aug 7th, 2009 02:15 pm |
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c'mon guys, I really need some more pics to make this happen. I know there are plenty of fans out there with green cord different than what has been posted. Help a fellow member out please.
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Posted: Fri Aug 7th, 2009 05:04 pm |
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| I think I have an AOU around here with an orginal cord that has faded to tan but is still green under the base. If I can get a decent photo is that the kind of stuff you are looking for?
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Posted: Sat Aug 8th, 2009 02:39 am |
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| sounds great. I just noticed today that a western electric tank I am working on has green cloth sheathed wire on it, alsoms jade green. I thought it was black till i hit it by accident with the elecrtical cleaning spray.
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Posted: Thu Aug 13th, 2009 04:09 am |
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| Sorry it took me a little time to get to my camera. I popped open the base of this all original as found AOU and here is what I found. The wire is green and yellow with a red tracer on one strand. The black strand in the photo is just filthy. Attached Image (viewed 472 times):
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Posted: Thu Aug 13th, 2009 04:21 am |
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Here is the wire next to the green wire I just received from OTR. It is identical. I don't seem to have any fans with green wire that doesn't have a red tracer on one strand. I am not sure this is what you were looking for but I hope it helps  Attached Image (viewed 465 times):
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Posted: Thu Aug 13th, 2009 11:29 pm |
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| I have never seen that in any of my AOU's. Can anyone else verify this?. This cord was very popular in the forties and up, so maybe it was a repair??.
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Posted: Thu Aug 13th, 2009 11:36 pm |
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| Never seen it on old GEs where it looked original nor on any early iron motor fans before the mid teens. I think you may be right that it was a popular wire used as a replacement. Could that style of wire date to pre-15?
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Posted: Fri Aug 14th, 2009 02:00 am |
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Erich Martin wrote: I have never seen that in any of my AOU's. Can anyone else verify this?. This cord was very popular in the forties and up, so maybe it was a repair??.
I think it's in my AOU...
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Posted: Fri Aug 14th, 2009 10:09 pm |
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Huh? Maybe I jumped the gun on it being original but it turns keeps turning up on my unrestored GE's. I think I have it on another AOU too. I see it on just about every 20's GE I bring home that has any old cord left. I will do some more digging. If i find it on another I'll post. If I'm mistaken and it's the wrong stuff that will be really good to know
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Posted: Sat Aug 15th, 2009 02:58 am |
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This is getting interesting.......
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Posted: Mon Aug 17th, 2009 01:16 am |
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Found this in a GE 75425. Is this more what you are looking for? No plans to reuse this green head cord or green sheathed power cord & would be happy to provide samples. Count me in for an order of this wire if Sundial comes through.
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Posted: Tue Oct 6th, 2009 06:02 am |
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| This is the magic pic!!. I have seen this in most all of my GE fans, BRAVO!!!
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Posted: Tue Oct 6th, 2009 08:10 pm |
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Excellent!! Do you need a sample or will the photo tell Sundial what they want to know?
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Posted: Tue Oct 6th, 2009 09:21 pm |
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For some reason I can't copy and paste the email between Hillary Kent(Sundial) and I about them reproducing green wire for us back on 2/12/2006. She was very positive on the email about the wire. Well, it's Oct. of 2009, and, oh well. 
Pssssst.....the green with the red tracer goes way back. I found an appliance with its ORIGINAL attachment plug(brass cap porcelain Bryant...06 patent still on it. The wire was faded with exception of what was inside the plug...green with red tracer. Last edited on Tue Oct 6th, 2009 09:56 pm by Russ Huber
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Posted: Tue Oct 6th, 2009 10:03 pm |
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| Why 20 guage which can carry 3-5 amps when all you need is 20 guage more like the original and should be cheaper to make - I think the khaki-colored wire would be the best as most of the old fans that I see that have the original wire is usual Khaki! Just my thoughts!
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Posted: Tue Oct 6th, 2009 11:02 pm |
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Ron Jeter wrote:
I think the khaki-colored wire would be the best as most of the old fans that I see that have the original wire is usual Khaki! Just my thoughts!
I'm with Ron on this one; Khaki is what I see most of also on early fans with old, old wire. Maybe it was green when new and faded to khaki but I WANT KHAKI twisted pair for my fans. No tracers; just a nice khaki with a covering that isn't fuzzy nor shiny.
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Posted: Wed Oct 7th, 2009 07:38 am |
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| most all my original wires look khaki/tan, but if you untie the knot in the wire you will see green as I have.
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Posted: Wed Oct 7th, 2009 03:35 pm |
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| I like the green, too, that Alison posted above. I wonder if that's the original shade of green or if it has faded some too. Probably. Last edited on Wed Oct 7th, 2009 03:35 pm by Steve Stephens
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Posted: Wed Oct 7th, 2009 05:46 pm |
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If there is interest I don't mind bringing the fan back out and untying the knot for another photo session. Just say the word.
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Posted: Thu Oct 8th, 2009 03:06 pm |
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Just a few more, to throw into the mix.
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