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Steve Stephens
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Posted: Sat Aug 1st, 2009 11:14 pm |
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Time for a third month of this topic which seems to be working well. So far this month (all 16 hours) I have not found any fans but did score a nice 5A. Variac this morning at our antique radio swap meet for all of $20. The radios I bought are a lot more interesting than this Variac but Variacs are more useful than the 1920s radios and are very useful for running and testing fans.
Many of our old (read EARLY) fans were designed to run on voltages between 100 to 115 volts while out house current is often nearer to 120 v. By running a fan at the rated voltage you are likely to see more speed separation among the different speeds as well as quieter running. A Variac makes this very easy and the one I got today has the two meters (volts and two levels of amps) built in. The smaller Variac I bought at Fanfair last week (also 5 amps) and I use a "Kill A Watt" P3 plugged in to it for various voltage and amp readings. If you run your early fans you ought to get a Variac or other variable AC transformer.Attached Image (viewed 1036 times):
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David Hunter
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Posted: Sun Aug 2nd, 2009 12:34 am |
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| Thanks for the post Steve. Since I have had my Emerson 24646 restored, I find that it is difficult to use in my bedroom as I'm sleeping because it runs so fast and loud, even on the slowest speed. I need to get a Variac myself. If anyone has a nice one they would like to sell let me know, the smaller the better. Thanks everyone. Thanks once again Steve for the help.
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Michael Roy
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Posted: Sun Aug 2nd, 2009 12:53 pm |
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| August off to a great start...........Monster Superior Electric Autoformer Rated at 20 amps! $10.........16" Vorty for a whopping $1.......runs like new too! Attached Image (viewed 967 times):
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Aaron Rehm
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Posted: Sun Aug 2nd, 2009 06:31 pm |
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I have a 79646 on my desk that I love, but it too ran too fast on low to be used while I sat there.
I built a small box with a fan dimmer switch tied to an outlet. I put it in a junction box with a cover plate and threw in a old PC power cord to plug it in with. Total cost was about $20. When I have it on the mid setting on my dimmer it makes the fan on my desk run at a nice slow enough speed to keep me happy and use it while I sit there.
The cool part about this is the fan does not get modded, the box can go anywhere, and it's easy to make. I found my info here:
http://www.fancollectors.org/info/speed.htm
So it's a PC power cord tied to a dimmer switch and outlet. Switch and outlet in a junction box to make it clean and safe. I'm quite pleased with it.
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Steve Sherwood
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Posted: Sun Aug 2nd, 2009 07:11 pm |
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| Found this on the way to FF. It's a Freshy model 26. Attached Image (viewed 925 times):
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Nicholas Denney
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Posted: Sun Aug 2nd, 2009 09:11 pm |
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Steve Stephens wrote:
Many of our old (read EARLY) fans were designed to run on voltages between 100 to 115 volts while out house current is often nearer to 120 v. By running a fan at the rated voltage you are likely to see more speed separation among the different speeds as well as quieter running.
That may explain why my 21646 is such a hard runner.... it's rated for 110 but the line voltage (at my house, at least) runs around 127. Before I messed with the blades, there was almost no distinction between any of the speeds.
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Ralph Bliss
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Posted: Sun Aug 2nd, 2009 09:26 pm |
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| I just picked up this nice 12" Westinghouse BB & BC. Nothing missing, works great as is, all original except the powercord. Attached Image (viewed 899 times):
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Michael Roy
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Posted: Sun Aug 2nd, 2009 10:29 pm |
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| You're gonna love that fan Ralph.........they really move some air.............and real pretty.......
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Jon Brown
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Posted: Mon Aug 3rd, 2009 02:39 am |
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got a nice dominion fan
its in john witts book of collecting fans
its baby blue yuck
does any body collect these fans
does anybody have a catalog on these fans
if so please tell me about them
jon brown
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Duane Burright
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Posted: Mon Aug 3rd, 2009 02:41 am |
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My finds are primarily vintage, but I got a couple of possibilities that I won't disclose until I know whether or not I can get 'em.
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Will Guidry
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Posted: Mon Aug 3rd, 2009 02:55 am |
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| I got a 6-wing 12" Trojan & a 1404 R & M 12" at Fan Fair, but that's kinda' like hunting deer at the zoo, n'est-ce pas? Although it's not the same as finding 'em in the wild, I sure do love 'em!
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Ralph Bliss
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Posted: Mon Aug 3rd, 2009 09:36 am |
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Michael Roy wrote: You're gonna love that fan Ralph.........they really move some air.............and real pretty.......
Michael, I do love it! Its the smoothest running fan I own, perfectly balanced. Clearly, this fan was well cared for.
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Ron Powell
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Posted: Mon Aug 3rd, 2009 12:34 pm |
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Michael Roy wrote: August off to a great start...........Monster Superior Electric Autoformer Rated at 20 amps! $10.........16" Vorty for a whopping $1.......runs like new too! Michael, As I've said before. "your much too lucky for your own good" I must follow you around closer.
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Peter Garcia
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Posted: Sun Aug 9th, 2009 05:29 am |
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My best friend got this for me from his grandparents house who they recently passed away and he told me they would rather give it to someone who knows about it then throw it away since they thought it was kinda dangerouse still. I am so glad I have him as my friend, and I didnt think they would do that for me. now how would I repay them back that could be worth this fan's value?
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Dale Keever
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Posted: Mon Aug 10th, 2009 03:34 pm |
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| This past week I found two fans in N. Georgia, the first was an Gilbert at an antique shop. This fan puts a Vornado to shame when it comes to moving air. Attached Image (viewed 664 times):
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Dale Keever
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Posted: Mon Aug 10th, 2009 03:36 pm |
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| The GE at an auction. I think you can tell which is which. Attached Image (viewed 664 times):
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Dale Keever
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Posted: Mon Aug 10th, 2009 03:52 pm |
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| Oh, I almost forgot this Vornado Jr. the week before. I have never found an early 1900's fan in Georgia, but I keep looking. Attached Image (viewed 658 times):
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Russ Huber
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Posted: Mon Aug 10th, 2009 04:03 pm |
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Dale Keever wrote: This past week I found two fans in N. Georgia, the first was an Gilbert at an antique shop. This fan puts a Vornado to shame when it comes to moving air.
The boys put enough into it.  
http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=nZNNAAAAEBAJ&dq=2660368
http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=eRtJAAAAEBAJ&dq=2672280
http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=CE9kAAAAEBAJ&dq=2694136
http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=qglkAAAAEBAJ&dq=2709035
http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=BBJWAAAAEBAJ&dq=2813673
http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=ErpHAAAAEBAJ&dq=2900127
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John McComas
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Posted: Mon Aug 10th, 2009 04:43 pm |
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Has ANYONE Seen the Gilbert divers helmet fan with a heater in it??
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Dale Keever
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Posted: Mon Aug 10th, 2009 06:01 pm |
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| Russ, thanks for your patent research I never imagined that Gilbert had an oscillator and heater version of this fan. I think John pretty much described it as the "divers helmet". Now my curiosity is aroused, does anyone have a collection of these rather odd ball fans? May have to start another thread.
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Chelsey Hancock
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Posted: Thu Aug 13th, 2009 10:51 pm |
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Emerson Junior for $5.99
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Chelsey Hancock
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Posted: Thu Aug 13th, 2009 10:52 pm |
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| Not sure what this heater is but I thought it was cool Attached Image (viewed 561 times):
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Tom Newcity
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Posted: Fri Aug 14th, 2009 12:06 pm |
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Chelsey Hancock wrote: Emerson Junior for $5.99
Chelsey,
That is a really a great find. It is nice to be able to pick up a vintage fan for a small price, and then clean it up. This is the first one of these that I've done.
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Richard Larson
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Posted: Fri Aug 14th, 2009 05:06 pm |
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Grabbed my first ever Jandus. It's a later BMY based model with steel blades. Pretty darn nasty - started scraping the grunge off with a plastic razor blade. The rubber cord is pretty horrifying and will be replaced soon. Just did a basic cleanup. The paint is pretty much shot and only about 70% there - where it's there it does shine nice though. Needs one oilcup which I now have thanks to Rick Hoener. This fan was on eBay and did not sell since the seller wanted too much. I send them a message as soon as the auction ended with a reasonable offer and they accepted. She emailed me later saying she got 3 other offers as well - one higher than mine, one the same, and one lower so I guess I did okay. It does run great. Anyone know if these have some sort of a bottom plate? Sorta looks like it did to me but thats not there if it did. I see no start switch in the motor so I'm guessing this is a later BMY motor. Actually I'm not even 100% sure on the BMY part - on the back the motor bolts are directly over vent holes - on the front they fall between vent holes.
 
 
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Tom Newcity
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Posted: Fri Aug 14th, 2009 11:28 pm |
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| Started out early yesterday morning to check one of those 150 mile yard sales. It was very slim pickins. Most of what I saw would make a good start on a land fill. But I did luck out and find this Emerson 27648. What a monster. The big motor runs great, and the base has the embossed speed control numbers. Well worth the trip. It will be going to Harrison in November. Attached Image (viewed 462 times):
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Steve Stephens
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Posted: Fri Aug 14th, 2009 11:48 pm |
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Tom, I have not seen you restore for ebay any 16" Emersons. Why not try one?
Richard, that one cleaned up pretty well. It is a BMY motor. What is the hole at the 9 o'clock position on the front plate? My 12 and 16" versions of your fan have no bottom plate over the switch.
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Richard Larson
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Posted: Sat Aug 15th, 2009 12:53 am |
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| Not really sure on that hole. It also has one at 3 o'clock as well. I left it at the shop so it will probably be Monday before I get a better look. From what I can remeber now though - the holes looked to be cast in, not drilled. You can see from where it's at it would be very hard to drill one there perfectly strait without building some sort of jig to hold the plate just right on a drill press. I could be wrong though..... not only is this my first Jandus, it's my first BMY.
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Posted: Mon Aug 17th, 2009 02:56 am |
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picked up these babies at my local swapmeet, could of brought more good ones but ran out of money
Steve or anyone can you tell me something about them and if they are correct cuz I'm scratching head on these Emerson's, the one one the lower left is a 24646 and the one to the right is a 26646 and the Vornado well i don't know what size it is but none of these are in the galleries to be referenced....
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Steve Stephens
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Posted: Mon Aug 17th, 2009 04:52 am |
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| They look good and correct to me Peter though I know little about the Vornado. The 24646 has the nice cast hub blade and would be the last Emerson to have such. Early 24s came with brass cage. The 26646 is uncommon as are most later stationary models. And the GE is a nice looking fan too. I think you did really well today and you'll have some fans to occupy your time cleaning up and enjoying them.
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Posted: Mon Aug 17th, 2009 05:10 am |
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the 24646 has the original instructions to it also! I had a feeling one of them had to have a brass cage.
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Nicholas Denney
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Posted: Mon Aug 17th, 2009 01:18 pm |
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| The Vornado is very nice, in a color scheme called 'Mist Gray', which is less common than the traditional green.
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Posted: Mon Aug 17th, 2009 04:57 pm |
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Found this out by the curb on trash day. Switch is correct. I took a couple photos, then put it back out at the curb where I found it. I wanted a white one, plus the cord wouldn't fit in my wall.
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Nicholas Denney
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Posted: Mon Aug 17th, 2009 05:01 pm |
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Mark Goodrich wrote: Found this out by the curb on trash day. Switch is correct. I took a photo, then put it back out at the curb where I found it. I wanted a white one, plus the cord wouldn't fit in my wall.
Why the funny plug? Surely you didn't travel all the way to Europe to go dumpster diving???Last edited on Mon Aug 17th, 2009 05:01 pm by Nicholas Denney
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Duane Burright
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Posted: Mon Aug 17th, 2009 05:52 pm |
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I may as well post these as losses - an Emerson Trojan with ornate base and a Robbins & Myers 1404. Both were dirty, but would have only needed some basic cleaning. These would have been my first brass on brass fans.
The kicker is that these two fans were on my local CraigsList for FREE, needless to say I shot an e-mail to the seller only to have it (and many others) go unanswered. Then the listing expired. I just hope one of the AFCA members in Los Angeles got these.
It makes me weep to have lost out on these -
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Steve Stephens
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Posted: Tue Aug 18th, 2009 02:14 am |
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Saved by the bus...or... I lucked out this time. Just arrived by bus.
I don't think this fan would have made it to me without more (and serious) damage the way it was packed. Well wrapped in large bubble wrap and sitting on 1" of styrofoam and a good layer of peanuts under and all around the fan. And some chunks of styrofoam pieces and above that plus a measure of AIR in a HUGE box.
The kicker was that the fan was packed CAGE DOWN in the box. One strut was bent back at the cage end which I hope can be safely returned as it was. The blade made it undamaged and is perfect and what I was reallly worried about, the neck, is also in great shape. Edit: blade got two wings bent back about 3/4" but with no damage to the wings themselves, just the hub fingers bent. Now, if I could only get the dang blade off the shaft...
It was my choice to have the fan shipped with the blade and cage on but my instructions, and how the seller said he would pack, were not what was followed.
Anyway, Greyhound Bus probably does not have conveyor belts in their system nor do they have huge stacks of boxes upon boxes so I figured that it was worth a try to have a fan shipped by the dog lines after receiving two nice radios well packed by Michael Roy and undamaged.
Have any of you had experience in shipping Greyhound? Cost seems to be less than the other carriers and you and the shipper have to live near a Greyhound bus depot. I don't know what kind of insurance they have.
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Posted: Tue Aug 18th, 2009 02:46 am |
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Mark, Where'd you say you lived? That's just like the one that I had in the back of my pickup Sunday. You see I stopped to fix a flat and had to take it out of the truck to get to my jack and in the confusion forgot to put it back in.
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Posted: Tue Aug 18th, 2009 10:28 pm |
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| Found this Emerson 77648AK for 8 bucks. It's a total rust bucket, missing the oscillator arm to wheel shoulder screw, but runs great on all three speeds. "Built to Last" Attached Image (viewed 212 times):
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| A second view of more rust. Attached Image (viewed 210 times):
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| Picked this up today Attached Image (viewed 204 times):
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| NICE Ilg blade. Is that a 36"?
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