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William Schaub
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Location: Hornell, New York USA
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 Posted: Sun Jul 20th, 2008 06:26 pm
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I picked this one up today finally I couldn't help myself
 as I really needed another big air mover for the living
 room so I could sit in there again in this heat. it cost me
 $50 + tax and it looks like its in great shape aside from
some minor paint flaking(I will post more on that later)


It's a 16" 3 speed and moves a ton of air a lot like my 16"
 vortalex does (although I think the vorty is slightly more
 powerful)

let me know what you think also the tag in the store said
 it was from the 50s is this accurate? I have a feeling it
 might be quite a bit older than that.





Last edited on Sun Jul 20th, 2008 06:28 pm by William Schaub

Christian Benton
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 Posted: Sun Jul 20th, 2008 06:35 pm
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Need larger pix to tell, LOL

I have a real similar one in the garage and it runs like a champ!

Nicholas Denney
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 Posted: Sun Jul 20th, 2008 06:41 pm
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Those are very nice fans - the deep pitched blades and 6-pole motor make for a very quiet runner! I have one also but the paint is slowly, steadily flaking off.:violin:No rust yet though.:clap:

William Schaub
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 Posted: Sun Jul 20th, 2008 06:43 pm
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Christian Benton wrote: Need larger pix to tell, LOL

I have a real similar one in the garage and it runs like a champ!

Sorry I will reduce the size by 50% in a few minutes.

anyoen know how to stop this thing from oscilating it has a very odd oscilating mechinisim
 where you turn a knob and it moves the oscilator arm to a differnt part of the roatating
 disc to set how wide the arc is. however I've found no way at all to disengage it yet.


Last edited on Sun Jul 20th, 2008 06:44 pm by William Schaub

Nicholas Denney
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 Posted: Sun Jul 20th, 2008 06:47 pm
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Keep clicking the knob around - there is a neutral position on the wheel that will stop the fan oscillating. It may be difficult to feel for it but it's there.

William Schaub
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 Posted: Sun Jul 20th, 2008 06:58 pm
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Nicholas Denney wrote: Keep clicking the knob around - there is a neutral position on the wheel that will stop the fan oscillating. It may be difficult to feel for it but it's there.

Ive tried that and that doens't quite work. I've only been able to find a posistion where it moves side to side maye 2 or 3 inches ut nothign where it stops completely.


I saw another screwball oscilator on a westy that had a simialr problem ut not has bad as the diehl it had a screw and a sliding mechanisim that you coudl use to set teh angle. wasnt too bad but I'm really starting to appreciate the GE style oscilator with the simple knob on the top to disengage the oscilator.


William Schaub
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 Posted: Sun Jul 20th, 2008 07:08 pm
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By the way medium seems exactly the same as high and low could be considerd medium almost. what do these fans use for speed control. different windings or a speed coil?
and assuming I wanted to fix the speeds how difficult would that be and what tools would be needed?

I'm not sure its 100% worth the effort since I'm likely to just always use high speed anyway.


Nicholas Denney
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 Posted: Sun Jul 20th, 2008 07:51 pm
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William Schaub wrote: By the way medium seems exactly the same as high and low could be considerd medium almost. what do these fans use for speed control. different windings or a speed coil?
and assuming I wanted to fix the speeds how difficult would that be and what tools would be needed?

I'm not sure its 100% worth the effort since I'm likely to just always use high speed anyway.



Speed coil.

William Schaub
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 Posted: Sun Jul 20th, 2008 10:54 pm
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Nicholas Denney wrote: William Schaub wrote: By the way medium seems exactly the same as high and low could be considerd medium almost. what do these fans use for speed control. different windings or a speed coil?
and assuming I wanted to fix the speeds how difficult would that be and what tools would be needed?

I'm not sure its 100% worth the effort since I'm likely to just always use high speed anyway.



Speed coil.

How Involved is the work needed to make all 3 speeds work propperly?

I figured out the neutral posistion finally no idea why I couldn't find it before I must have spent aout 15 to 20 minutes on it with no luck. but now i have a nice strong directed gust of air pointed at the couch and can finally sit in my living room in comfort again.

I'm still waiting for a date on this fan is this really a 50s fan(as claimed on its sale tag) or is it actually a late 30s fan?  I'm leaning towards late 30s.

Last edited on Sun Jul 20th, 2008 11:22 pm by William Schaub

Bill Kreiner
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 Posted: Mon Jul 21st, 2008 02:27 am
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William Schaub wrote: Nicholas Denney wrote: William Schaub wrote: By the way medium seems exactly the same as high and low could be considerd medium almost. what do these fans use for speed control. different windings or a speed coil?
and assuming I wanted to fix the speeds how difficult would that be and what tools would be needed?

I'm not sure its 100% worth the effort since I'm likely to just always use high speed anyway.



Speed coil.

How Involved is the work needed to make all 3 speeds work propperly?

I figured out the neutral posistion finally no idea why I couldn't find it before I must have spent aout 15 to 20 minutes on it with no luck. but now i have a nice strong directed gust of air pointed at the couch and can finally sit in my living room in comfort again.

I'm still waiting for a date on this fan is this really a 50s fan(as claimed on its sale tag) or is it actually a late 30s fan?  I'm leaning towards late 30s.


Why have you left out the entire 1940s decade as a possibility? :wondering: I have one like that (in green) and was told it is a mid- to late-1940s model by the gent from whom I bought it. His dad is a former Diehl employee.


William Schaub
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 Posted: Mon Jul 21st, 2008 02:48 am
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I haven't fully ruled it out (being a 40s fan) Just that the same model number was known in that tiem period and the fan seems to have changed little between the letters changing in front of the catalog numbber. I was guessing late 30s because of the black color. If it were the green I would be thinking mid 40s for sure.  I wouldn't be suprised at all if it was contemporary with my 16" Ge Vortalex a lot of the parts seem similar particularly the oil cup on the front bearing which looks exactly like the one on my vorty..


I was just hoping I could find out the exact year for this catalog number being introduced in this color and the leaning towards late 30s was wishful thinking on my part :) my wishful thinking being around 1939 or not too far after it. 


Last edited on Mon Jul 21st, 2008 02:49 am by William Schaub

William Schaub
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 Posted: Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 11:53 pm
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I hate to bump this thing but I had to mention it looks like someone restored this fan. It has new grease in it and a brand new cloth coard (black and white striped) I got it at Erie Line antiques in Hornell. just curious if it was restored by an AFCA member or not.


I still have the sale tag if anyone wants me to post the photos. I can show the nice looking replacement cord on this thing too  (no way its original its way too new looking, the plug on the end looks vintage though)


Last edited on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 12:02 am by William Schaub


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