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Michael Roy
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 Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 06:15 pm
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Driving by a local yardsale about 30 min ago noticed this Freshend Air ped so I stopped.............non Star of David cage, what looks to me like a GE base. Am I correct?

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 Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 06:17 pm
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The motor..........also, seems to run on 1 speed only but the owner says when cool, runs on all 3....possible? Bought it for $20..........

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 Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 08:30 pm
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I would have bought it for $20 in a New York second.

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 Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 10:42 pm
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Doug Handley wrote: I would have bought it for $20 in a New York second.

Doug is saving the rest of his money to buy a restorable B-29. :up: 

Mike, you have a late model (late 40s-50s) Freshy fan head on a Westy Whirlaire base and pedestal.  If you can't get all your speeds try blasting some WD-40 down the oil ports and loosen that old oil varnish on the bearing/rotor shaft. :up:  Could be a couple of things. 

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 Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 10:45 pm
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This is your missing fan-head more than likely. :up:

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 Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 11:20 pm
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The badged Freshys are most typically LaSalle St., Marshall Blvd, or simply no street address at all.....just... Chicago, Ill.  From what I have seen the non-star of David models have a motor tag I bet of the 50s with their new owner....Cory Corp. of Chicago. :up:  

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 Posted: Sun Jun 28th, 2009 01:09 am
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Thanks Guys,
 Russ, The motor does indeed have a Cory Corp. Motor as i witnessed when I took off the bullet and was looking for a mis-wiring type scenario. Alot different from my earlier GE motor'd Freshy..........Westy base huh? Darn, I was hoping to graph a vorty to the base....I would bet the westy you pictured is a little hard to come by.........thanks for the patent pic, nailed it perfectly.


Mike
EDIT: It is not a lube problem with the speeds.......I just haven't had time as of yet to decipher.....any tips would be welcomed...........

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 Posted: Sun Jun 28th, 2009 01:50 am
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Michael Roy wrote: Thanks Guys,
 Russ, The motor does indeed have a Cory Corp. Motor as i witnessed when I took off the bullet and was looking for a mis-wiring type scenario.



Please check the motor again to see if it wasn't made for the Fresh 'ND-Aire Corporation of Chicago by............Fasco.  Does your motor actually state the Cory Corporation name on it?? :wondering: 

 So far the motor makers to appear so far are the early birds.....Ballentine motors I think from Solar Industries of Chicago.  Then as they moved into mass production late thirties early 40s.......G. ood E. nough. Aaaand I have seen Redmond motors in BADGELESS early Freshys.  Then G. ood E. nough went to the cheapo single phase cannister motors with a hole drilled on each end of the can late 40s. :wondering:  Annnnnnnd.......then into the 50s......Fasco. :up: 

Their brochures boast the use of Westinghouse motors,  but I have yet to see one. :up:  I think they felt the need to use the Westinghouse name next to G. ood E. nough for fear they wouldn't sell any fans. :clap:   

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 Posted: Sun Jun 28th, 2009 01:10 pm
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It does.........and it IS a Fasco 114248 motor It also says Freshnd Aire Division of Cory Corporation. sorry for the lousy pic but it is as close as the camera could get.

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Michael Roy wrote: It does.........and it IS a Fasco 114248 motor It also says Freshnd Aire Division of Cory Corporation. sorry for the lousy pic but it is as close as the camera could get.
Well so far it looks like this........Chicago Ballentine motors were used in the earliest Fresh 'ND-Aires spanning roughly mid to late 30s.....possibly early 40s.  My IMPRESSION is early Fresh 'ND-Aire for most part was sold regional.  Fresh 'ND-Aire then in late 30s kicked into mass production through the 2626 Washington Blvd and Clinton St. addresses producing fans with outsourced cast iron higher quality G.E. motors.  I have a La Salle St. address BADGELESS Freshy with a REDMOND motor in it.  I was always under the IMPRESSION the La Salle St. address manufacturer came into being under the Cory Corp. takeover.  Now...I question this.  If you have a cannister type G.E. motor in yours it sure looks pretty good it is from the mid to late 40s. :wondering:  And.....if you have a Fasco motor in yours, there is PROOF through brochure and patents of at least 48.... Cory Corp. held the rights to the Fresh 'ND-Aire name. 

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 Posted: Sun Jun 28th, 2009 11:29 pm
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Jeez Russ, get a law degree.  :cool:

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 Posted: Mon Jun 29th, 2009 12:02 am
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I found out why it will only run on 1 speed...........someone let the smoke out of the speed coil............if someone has a spare.........or knows if I can substitute a GE, let me know.

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 Posted: Mon Jun 29th, 2009 03:14 am
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Tom Dreesen wrote: Jeez Russ, get a law degree.  :cool:


After 30 years as a professional donut hole cutter....I kinda doubt it. :wondering:  Thanks for the suggestion though. 

Handy handsome brass loophandle Handley is one of them there lawbook sharks.  I borrowed my 3 star 6 wing brass loophandle Good Enough oscullator to him years back.  When I tried to get it back he knew every legal loophandle in the book to keep it. :cry:  Now....all I can do is look at it in the Fan Gallery.... with his name under it. :pissed 

Pssssst......Mike, are you sure your Levolier is not shifting through its gears to make the right contacts for the other two speeds?  Or...are there any disconnects?  :wondering:   

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 Posted: Mon Jun 29th, 2009 04:53 am
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Here is the Chicago based motor that you will find in the early Freshys dudes. :up:  These were in the early Gaylord Electric and Erie St. Freshy models.  Earle Ballentine directed motor patents to both Solar Industries and Russell Electric of Chicago.

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 Posted: Mon Jun 29th, 2009 12:21 pm
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I removed the switch and speed coil assy and found the coil burnt, switch seems to be fine.

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 Posted: Mon Jun 29th, 2009 05:34 pm
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Michael Roy wrote: I removed the switch and speed coil assy and found the coil burnt, switch seems to be fine.

The speed transformers are wound for the motor load I would think.  For example, if you have a model 20 I would seek another model 20 speed switch/transformer, or just the replacement coil.  I have no spares at this time.  Try posting in the BST for one, or hopefully a rust bucket of your model size will pop up on the bay cheap and functional.  :up:

Pssssssst.......Potentiometer. :up:

Last edited on Mon Jun 29th, 2009 05:58 pm by Russ Huber

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 Posted: Mon Jun 29th, 2009 08:40 pm
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Psssst Russ, Guess what? I have one of them there little 12 ohm potentiometers (Power Rheostat)! It is rated for 2.04 amps, 300V.......I did the math on the fan.....175 watt at 115v= 1.52 amps..........looks like I got me one of them newfangled variable speed jobbies.........at least until I find another coil. Thanks..........


Mike


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