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Tim Tomerlin
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Posted: Sat Oct 17th, 2009 02:37 am |
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| I would like to buy a motor casing with good bearings for a Westinghouse Tank motor fan. It doesn't matter what it's branded. Thanks.
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Mark Hogan
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Posted: Sat Oct 17th, 2009 11:49 am |
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I have one available. What are you looking to spend? I honestly have no idea what a fair price would be.
Marc
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Tim Tomerlin
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Posted: Sat Oct 17th, 2009 02:55 pm |
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Mark Hogan wrote: I have one available. What are you looking to spend? I honestly have no idea what a fair price would be.
Marc
I don't know either to tell you the truth. Does $35 + shipping sound good to you? Also, have you tried it with a motor in it and did it run ok because it is impossible to tell if the bearings are worn by the naked eye. Thanks.
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Mark Hogan
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Posted: Sat Oct 17th, 2009 02:59 pm |
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Tim Tomerlin wrote: Mark Hogan wrote: I have one available. What are you looking to spend? I honestly have no idea what a fair price would be.
Marc
I don't know either to tell you the truth. Does $35 + shipping sound good to you? Also, have you tried it with a motor in it and did it run ok because it is impossible to tell if the bearings are worn by the naked eye. Thanks.
No I have not. I have probably 8 of these guys that are in various stages of disrepair. Testing them may take some time if your not in a hurry. I'll try to get to a few this weekend. No promisses though, OK?
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Tim Tomerlin
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Posted: Sat Oct 17th, 2009 03:13 pm |
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Mark Hogan wrote: Tim Tomerlin wrote: Mark Hogan wrote: I have one available. What are you looking to spend? I honestly have no idea what a fair price would be.
Marc
I don't know either to tell you the truth. Does $35 + shipping sound good to you? Also, have you tried it with a motor in it and did it run ok because it is impossible to tell if the bearings are worn by the naked eye. Thanks.
No I have not. I have probably 8 of these guys that are in various stages of disrepair. Testing them may take some time if your not in a hurry. I'll try to get to a few this weekend. No promisses though, OK? Thats fine. Take your time, no rush. Thanks. 
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Erich Martin
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Posted: Sat Oct 17th, 2009 06:28 pm |
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| To check the bearings, just put the rotor in, clamp/bolt it up and grab the shaft and see how bad the play is. I have had fans make a ton of racket while running with decent bearings, change the blade and all quiet and happy. Most bearings are going to be .376-.380 depending on time used, they will also wear oblong due to the weight if the rotor.
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Tim Tomerlin
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Posted: Sat Oct 17th, 2009 09:30 pm |
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Erich Martin wrote: To check the bearings, just put the rotor in, clamp/bolt it up and grab the shaft and see how bad the play is. I have had fans make a ton of racket while running with decent bearings, change the blade and all quiet and happy. Most bearings are going to be .376-.380 depending on time used, they will also wear oblong due to the weight if the rotor.
The problem with my bearings is not only do they make alot of racket, but also the fan won't start when the blade is in a certian position and I think the rotor is rubbing against the stator.
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Erich Martin
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Posted: Sun Oct 18th, 2009 07:33 pm |
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| you need to confirm that with some paint or a magic marker it you can not confirm visually. Your bearings would have to be REALLY worn for that!.
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Steve Stephens
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Posted: Sun Oct 18th, 2009 09:08 pm |
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| Tom, hold your fan upside down and see if it will start in that position. When bearings wear it's usually on the bottom of the bearing so, by turning it upside down, you have the motor shaft cradled on a mostly unworn part of the bearing. If it starts and runs ok you'll need new bearings, not a new motor casing which might, also, have worn bearings.
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Tim Tomerlin
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Posted: Sun Oct 18th, 2009 10:44 pm |
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Steve Stephens wrote: Tom, hold your fan upside down and see if it will start in that position. When bearings wear it's usually on the bottom of the bearing so, by turning it upside down, you have the motor shaft cradled on a mostly unworn part of the bearing. If it starts and runs ok you'll need new bearings, not a new motor casing which might, also, have worn bearings.
Do you know where I can but some repro bearings? I checked Darryl Hudsons site and I couldn't find any. Also the fan won't start normally upside-down either , I'll make a youtube video explaining the problem.
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Tim Tomerlin
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Posted: Sun Oct 18th, 2009 11:50 pm |
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Here's the video explaining the problem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chXq5ZBuVYU
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Bill Voigt
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Posted: Mon Oct 19th, 2009 12:56 am |
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Tim,
Looks like a starting switch problem - one of the three fingers on the moving
portion of the switch is likely making intermittent contact due to a weak
spring or dirt / oxidation on the finger's surface. Try cleaning the switch
if you haven't already. Good luck.
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Steve Stephens
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Posted: Mon Oct 19th, 2009 01:11 am |
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Tim Tomerlin wrote:
Do you know where I can but some repro bearings? I checked Darryl Hudsons site and I couldn't find any. Also the fan won't start normally upside-down either, I'll make a youtube video explaining the problem.
Give Darryl a CALL and ask him is he has them. If he doesn't I bet he can turn you a pair out. Finding parts on his website can be a bit hard so that's why I recommend you call.
By the way, I like your video of the fans' problems. A great way to make it clear what might be going on. Give the starting switch contacts and parts a look over and cleaning as Bill suggested. Pull the rotor to get at the parts.
You could probably have your speed coil rewound; maybe even do it yourself by counting the turns as you unwind it and seeing where there are taps. I don't know how they are made but somebody might come to the rescue if you wanted to rewind yourself.
You have a choice as to what motor tag you put on your fan. Basically, I guess, whatever tag you first find. R&M, Westy, Shedd, Western Electric (Hawthorn Victor) and maybe even another one or two names.
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Erich Martin
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Posted: Mon Oct 19th, 2009 05:57 am |
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| yup, dirty starter switch contacts I betcha. I used to loathe centrifugul starters, now I like them as you will too...once you get it dialed in that is.
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Tim Tomerlin
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Posted: Mon Oct 19th, 2009 03:47 pm |
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| Ok, I'm gonna give the start governor a cleaning with some light sand paper. Also, if I do get some bearngs from Darryl, how do I remove the old ones and put in the new ones? I thied hammering them out with a rubber mallet and they wouldn't budge. Thanks for everyones help.
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Posted: Mon Oct 19th, 2009 05:01 pm |
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Tim Tomerlin wrote: Ok, I'm gonna give the start governor a cleaning with some light sand paper. Also, if I do get some bearngs from Darryl, how do I remove the old ones and put in the new ones? I thied hammering them out with a rubber mallet and they wouldn't budge. Thanks for everyones help.
Contact Darryl, I may be wrong, but I feel confident he would want you to send the motor to him. Pretty sure those bearings would have to be removed with a press. The advantage of having the motor there is when he fits the new bearings he can assemble the motor and test it. 
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Tim Tomerlin
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Posted: Mon Oct 19th, 2009 06:30 pm |
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Ok, cleaning the brass points and the brass collar didn't seem to help. Also, I've noticed that when the fan is in its "stuck" position, a little smoke comes out the front of the motor.  My guess is that something is shorting out and I can't seem to find out where. I may just need to buy a whole new motor because in addition to all these problems, the motor shell also has a nasty crack in it. 
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Tim Tomerlin
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Posted: Mon Oct 19th, 2009 10:43 pm |
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I have since fixed the starting problem, it turns out that the springs for the brass points were rubbing against the brass collar, so I removed one layer of card board insulation(there were two layers) that was between the brass points and the rotor and now it starts normally in all positions.  I still need to get some new bearings, name plates and a speed coil though.
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Erich Martin
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Posted: Sat Oct 24th, 2009 07:07 pm |
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| be sure to clean the threads on the starter and blue loctite them, perhaps with loctite 242 blue, they like to loosen as you run the fan. my 2c
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