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Shane Hunt
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Posted: Wed Oct 7th, 2009 09:03 pm |
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I've "found" a veritys orbital!
Its going to need quite a bit work done to it.
After a period where it seemed like we heard about nothing other than orbitals, things have gone a bit quiet.
Maybe Boothroyd is working on his new site (or perhaps recovering from his fan collectors gathering)
Anyway, if veritys people are still posting here, I could possibly do with your kind assistance.
The badge reads Veritys new orbital, 18". From whats left of the paint, it looks a similar colour to what the Limit fans were painted.
Before photos to come...
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Posted: Wed Oct 7th, 2009 11:13 pm |
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Our website has a wonderful search engine. Here's what I found by searching for "verity". This will get you started.
http://afca.mywowbb.com/search.php?s=1&q=Verity
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Shane Hunt
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Posted: Thu Oct 8th, 2009 08:13 pm |
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Thanks Steve.
Yes, the forum and search engine are great. I've been what you might call "a silent lurker" - ie visiting the site for quite some time but not posting. Which is how I know you're knowledgable about GEs (indeed other fans too) and Richard loves orbitals.
But now I have! And I'll join the AFCA too - its just a timing issue, with subscriptions tied to the calendar year, rather than being 12 months from the date you join. (I know you still get the year's mags included.)
I've had a look through the Verity Orbital postings but haven't seen a picture of one like mine.
I suspect it might have been one of the last models produced. Other than the New reference on the badge, its the only one I've seen painted Verity cream and the cage does not have s spokes.
Anyway, onto the photos...
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Posted: Thu Oct 8th, 2009 08:21 pm |
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Shane Hunt
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Posted: Thu Oct 8th, 2009 08:22 pm |
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Shane Hunt
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Posted: Thu Oct 8th, 2009 08:27 pm |
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Posted: Thu Oct 8th, 2009 08:28 pm |
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Posted: Thu Oct 8th, 2009 10:58 pm |
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Nice find!
I think Ralf Augenstein has one of those, but the picture he posted of it has dropped off the end of the forum. Perhaps he'll post it again...?
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Posted: Thu Oct 8th, 2009 11:44 pm |
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Very good find, never seen one with those struts. The white is a very nice variation, and is certainly original. Is it in fact "18"? Hard to read the tag. I would have expected 16".
The fan appears to be complete, very surprising; can't see the guts or the switch/speed coil, of course.
Have you tried running it yet?
Be aware, when you start disassembly, that the pivot point of the yoke is actually a tiny ball bearing race; you'll want to be careful when you take it apart, or you'll wonder where all those itty bitty balls went. Wonderful example of typical English overly-complex engineering.
The other interesting thing I notice is that the oscillator arm is not adjustable. I wonder if that is factory-correct, or if someone did a really good job replacing the arm? Don't have my catalogs to hand.
You'll have a stunning, almost one-of-a-kind, when you're done. I hope the inside of the bell is also painted white, so you can get a good, unoxidized match.
Cheers,
Mark
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Posted: Fri Oct 9th, 2009 12:07 am |
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Mark Goodrich wrote: Hard to read the tag. I would have expected 16".
16"
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Posted: Fri Oct 9th, 2009 02:52 am |
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Maybe its time for glasses.
Yes, 16 inch of course. One doesn't hear to much of 18 inchers.
In my initial post, I put inverted commas around the word 'found'. Thats because theres a story about this find that would have serious orbital devotees thinking I was nuts!!
Perhaps I'll elaborate further in the October finds thread.
Thanks Tony for the info.
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Posted: Fri Oct 9th, 2009 03:10 am |
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| Shane - Quite a find. I look forward to seeing your progress on restoration - and your story on 'found'. From the condition of the fan, it should be a good story. Jeanne
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Posted: Fri Oct 9th, 2009 04:36 am |
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| HERE IT IS Attached Image (viewed 248 times):
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Posted: Fri Oct 9th, 2009 11:58 am |
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SNAP !!!
...THATS APPEARS TO BE THE ONE. THANKS RALPH.
Do you have much in the way of info on your fan?
What do you think the year might be? Do you think, going by the cage design and that same cream colour, the limit fans were painted, that it might be one of the last models veritys produced?
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Posted: Sat Oct 10th, 2009 04:27 am |
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| What a great find! I especially like those strong, sturdy, unusual struts. Yes, it all seems to be there and should clean up nicely. I know next to nothing about Veritys but it doesn't seem to be that late of a model to me.
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Posted: Sat Oct 10th, 2009 01:15 pm |
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Hi Shane
Great find. Congratulations. Original cream colour is quite unusual to find...I have never found one.
There at least three designs of cages and struts for the 16" Veritys Orbitals that I am aware of. I suspect that yours is the latest design.
No confirmation on this assumption which is based on design changes...mostly simplification. The asymmetrical base is certainly an indication of a later design.
It is definitely well worth acquiring and restoring. Most bits seem to be there and in reasonable unworn condition. Please feel free to contact me or Richard if you need any bits or information.
Sorry to be late posting I have been travelling to the UK and am here to see my sons and also attend Richard Boothroyd's fan meet next weekend of course. Have been collecing up fans I have bought over the years on eBay in the UK having had them delivered to my son's addresses for safety.
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Posted: Sat Oct 10th, 2009 02:00 pm |
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| I have been thinking about something else too. I was wondering why the standard finish for Veritys was the "gilt finish" (gold spray paint over the brass blades). If you wanted polished brass, it was an extra charge. It looks as if this fan has the standard gilt finish offered by the factory. Why did Veritys paint their blades this way? Well, I have an explanation that hopefully all of you Veritys experts could either support or deny. I was thinking that maybe Veritys painted their blades as a way to avoid corrosion in salt-water environments. Since brass is highly corrosive, it would be a fantastic way to treat them. Later, like all fan manufacturers, the issue of corrosion was answered by switching to steel blades.
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Posted: Sat Oct 10th, 2009 05:47 pm |
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David Hunter wrote:
I was wondering why the standard finish for Veritys was the "gilt finish" (gold spray paint over the brass blades).
Gilt:
"covered with gold or gilt : of the color of gold"
Guilding:
"Gilding is the technique of applying a thin layer of gold to a surface. Gilding is performed through mechanical processes, such as leafing, or using one of many chemical processes."
I suppose that the "gilt" on our fans was an imitation gold rather than a real gold finish. But how was the gilt applied or the result achieved?
Painting with gold colored paint? A chemical process? Actually plating with gold on an unpolished or finely textured surface of the brass?
When I observe the gilt on my early American fans including GEs from the pancakes to c.1920 the gilt does not look like paint but I don't know what it is. Since I have not stripped any gilt finished brass I can't say for sure that it isn't a paint. So, exactly what is the gilt applied to fans and how was that achieved?
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Posted: Sat Oct 10th, 2009 05:50 pm |
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| Great question indeed!
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Posted: Sat Oct 10th, 2009 09:17 pm |
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Thank you for introducing the fan a very nice Orbit
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Posted: Sun Oct 11th, 2009 04:30 am |
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I really want to hear the story of how you found it. This fan looks like it has some stories to tell.
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Posted: Sun Oct 11th, 2009 06:24 am |
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An update.
Firstly, the fan is mine.
No, it doesn't go - not even a hum.
Hopefully I've found at least a starting point - looking through the vents, I think I can see half of the power cord has broken apart or come unattached.
Looks like it will be a mission opening up the motor housing though - the bolts are awkwardly placed and on some, the nut is worn.
I'll try to get around to posting the find story in the October finds thread. I suppose its not so much of an interesting tale, rather more a case of silliness on my part.
Hi Pete. I was hoping I would hear from yourself or Richard. I thought that he had already had his fan collector get together. I see you live in Egypt and are friends with Richard. I have two examples of a GEC fan that I know you have posted information about in a previous thread. Just wondering if you have any further info on them. I think I'll put a picture in this thread, rather than start a new one.
Anyway, back to the orbital...
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Posted: Sun Oct 11th, 2009 06:26 am |
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On the plaque I can see reference to a 1930 British Safety Standard - so the fan is post 1930. What year did Veritys stop trading?
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Posted: Sun Oct 11th, 2009 06:27 am |
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I unscrewed the base plate and took a look...
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Posted: Sun Oct 11th, 2009 06:29 am |
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| Pete, from Egypt - heres the GEC I was referring to... Attached Image (viewed 145 times):
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Posted: Mon Oct 12th, 2009 10:00 pm |
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Hi Shane
Yes this is a 12" non oscillator by GEC in the UK. There's one figured in the Galleries section (non-American fans). as a guest I believe you can view the thumbnail image.
I will need to check the catalogues to give you a date but almost certainly it will be a window not a specific year. My catalogue copies are in Cairo and I am in Glasgow at the moment. This model was current for several years in the 1930s.
The cage on yours is on in the wrong position (clockwise by 120 degrees). Refer to the image mentioned. The struts are mild steel thin walled tubes flattened in to a springy blade at the outer end set at a near right angle to the tube axis. The blade should have a small lip at the tip. The spring blade fits in between the outermost ring the next ring to hold the cage securely and tightly in place. The inner end of the tubes fit in drilled holes in the motor casting.
I cannot see from your picture if the struts are complete and in the correct position. The positioning of the struts is not obvious or intuitive and I have seen several odd arrangements of the struts and even people folding them to 'make' them fit. Perhaps a close-up image will help if you have a problem.
The cage design is very classically 'Art Deco' and in steel they seem indestructible. Sadly the struts aren't and are often missing or replaced by odd arrangements.
A good motor and usually they run and are reliable.
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Posted: Tue Oct 13th, 2009 01:23 am |
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| Love those Veritys orbital's, with those different cage struts and cage maybe this one should be names the "spider". Hope you get it running soon.
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Posted: Sun Oct 18th, 2009 10:24 am |
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Got the nuts off.
Inside the motor housing:
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Posted: Sun Oct 18th, 2009 12:00 pm |
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| Veritys went into liquidation in 1962 I think and Veritys Holding took over selling the Limit brand - we are researching this and will post further details shortly.
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